A JW Apologist tilting at Watchtower Windmills

A JW Apologist tilting at Watchtower Windmills

Lately, more and more asleep Jehovah’s Witnesses that are “true believers” are coming to my site and my YouTube channel to defend their Governing Body and their Organization. Should this bother me? Should it bother any of us?

I think it’s great…and also very interesting, because their own leadership has told them that they are NOT to watch or read or comment on anything produced by dissident or former Jehovah’s Witnesses. According to Watchtower dogma, they should not be going to any internet websites except JW.org, the official site for Jehovah’s Witnesses. There they will find thousands of pages of unchallenged rhetoric espoused by their unique channel, called by Witnesses the Governing Body.

So is it a secret that Witnesses are told not to visit websites or YouTube channels that discuss the Jehovah’s Witness religion? Not at all! In fact, it is virtually drummed into their heads to avoid so-called apostate material like the plague. As an example, notice this quote below from the July 15, 2011 Watchtower on page 16 of an article entitled, “WILL YOU HEED JEHOVAH’S CLEAR WARNINGS?” It says the following on paragraph 7:

 

“What is involved in avoiding false teachers? We do not receive them into our homes or greet them. We also refuse to read their literature, watch TV programs that feature them, examine their Web sites, or add our comments to their blogs. Why do we take such a firm stand? Because of love. We love “the God of truth,” so we are not interested in twisted teachings that contradict his word of truth. (Ps. 31:5; John 17:17)”

 

So these JW brothers and sisters that are taking it upon themselves to “fight the evil apostates on the internet” are actually going against their own leaders and the directives to stay away as plainly stated in the Watchtower.

 

The asleep JW YouTube commenters usually want to debate with me or call me names. I am not hurt or offended in the least- on the contrary, I think it shows us that more and more of them are thinking for themselves. One brother that ordered a “Do You Know TTATT?” bracelet from me recently texted and said that he started out posting comments on websites and YouTube channels, trying to defend “The Truth”. And this is exactly what woke him up to the lies and tricks of the Watchtower!

 

So I am glad to have Paradiseagain, Skyrainbow, 992praisejah1, Doross Johnson, and some of the other self-appointed “JW defense-squad” folks on my heels, posting comments here. They are welcome to contact me anytime and I am happy to talk with them at length. I exchanged comments with one JW sister recently regarding my Judicial Trial on YouTube. I mentioned to her that she was not supposed to even be here commenting on my channel and if she spoke with her elders for advice on this she would no doubt receive some loving counsel. She then said in reply:

 

“Why would YOU care about my spiritual conduct? I do as i like thank you. I have been away from Jehovah for 12 years, now back with the Only true religion I can find and feel very happy and content with it. But if i feel like visiting these kind of video-commentboards i will do so. Mind your own business okay? All YOU come here for is to hear slander and insults towards the organization wich i personally think is really pathetic. YOU should go on with your life.”

 

My commented response:

 

“Why would I care about your spiritual conduct? Because believe it or not Sis I love you. My ministry is all about helping awakened Jehovah’s Witnesses that are struggling to cope with the cognitive dissonance that they face upon learning TTATT. I’m cutting this message short now to say a prayer for you and I would ask that if you can say one for me and the thousands of brothers that are suffering due to conscience- it would help all of us.”

 

So to the JW Apologists I say this:
Keep Commenting!

In Christ,
Eric

 

P.S.
If you want to read more about this WT article in the 2011 July issue, a thread on JWnet by my friend Cedars brought out some more interesting points about what was written in this issue:

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• “Apostates are false teachers, or ‘dried up wells’. “Anyone coming to them for waters of truth will be bitterly disappointed.”

Isn’t anybody who teaches something that can be proved as false automatically a “false teacher”? Are the Society willing to have their beliefs and teachings independently verified as to their truthfulness?

• “What do apostates want? “They are not content just to leave the organization that they perhaps once loved. Their aim, Paul explained, is to ‘draw away the disciples after themselves.’ Note the definite article in the expression ‘the disciples’. Rather than going out and making their own disciples, apostates seek to take Christ’s disciples with them. Like ‘ravenous wolves,’ false teachers are out to devour trusting members of the congregation, destroying their faith and leading them away from the truth.-Matt. 7:15; 2 Tim. 2:18.”

This inadvertently reveals the real issue that is of most pressing importance to the Society – people coming back and snatching their devoted followers. “Leave our followers alone, go and find your own followers, we found ours first!” Also, how can Paul’s words be arbitrarily applied to anybody who leaves the organisation, when the majority of “apostates” remain Christian, and aren’t interested in drawing people away from Christ at all – more in saving individual witnesses from spending their entire lives in absolute servitude to a flawed human organisation?

 “The methods of apostates reveal a cunning spirit, as they “quietly bring in” corruptive ideas. “Like smugglers, they operate in a clandestine manner, subtly introducing apostate views. And just as a clever forger tries to pass phony documents, so apostates use “counterfeit words,” or false arguments, trying to pass their fabricated views as if they were true. They spread “deceptive teachings,” “twisting… the Scriptures” to fit their own ideas. (2 Pet. 2:1, 3, 13; 3:16) Clearly, apostates do not have our best interests at heart.”

There is nothing clandestine whatsoever about books such as Crisis of Conscience, or websites such as jwfacts, and all information contained in both of those resources can be fully verified by documentary evidence. Actually, most of the above quote can be re-directed towards the Society themselves, as it is they who have subtly and gradually introduced blatantly flawed doctrine over many decades, “trying to pass their fabricated views as if they were true”, and “twisting the Scriptures to fit their own ideas” (i.e. the “increasing light” doctrine). Do the society have “our best interests at heart” by breaking up families rather than allowing disfellowshipped wrongdoers to undermine their influence and authority by sharing the ‘real truth’ with their family members?

“apostates are ‘mentally diseased,’ and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings. (1 Tim. 6:3,4) Jehovah, the Great Physician, tells us to avoid contact with them.”

This is perhaps where the article hits the ‘lowest of the low’ where aspersions are cast against the mental integrity of anybody who would be crazy enough to be disloyal to the organisation. Interestingly, the mental health of memorial partakers is also brought into question in another recent article, so your regular publisher has a straight choice between accepting information from ‘mentally diseased’ former witnesses, or the ‘mentally or emotionally imbalanced’ memorial partakers who serve on the Governing Body. It’s what’s often called ‘being stuck between a rock and a hard place’!

—— End snippet of thread from jehovahs-witness.net ——
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32 Comments on JW Apologists Keep Commenting

  1. C M says:

    They would not be looking if they weren’t in the least bit curious i sure know that is how it started for me and I too defended the organisation and our beliefs. But i saw and expirienced alot of things all at once that made me do true deep research and now I know TTATT and am in the dissident movement i call The Struggle. Those that are now defending their beliefs will keep reading and looking until they decide to do research as well and pray to God for guidance and they will learn TTATT as well.

    Your Brother and Friend C M

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    • Mav Erick says:

      C M:
      They would not be looking if they weren’t in the least bit curious i sure know that is how it started for me and I too defended the organisation and our beliefs. But i saw and expirienced alot of things all at once that made me do true deep research and now I know TTATT and am in the dissident movement i call The Struggle. Those that are now defending their beliefs will keep reading and looking until they decide to do research as well and pray to God for guidance and they will learn TTATT as well.

      Your Brother and Friend C M

      That’s what I’m doing now..

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  2. Reasonable says:

    Interesting! Although I find the bracelet tacky (personally) Through my findings here on the net, much like alot of people, I have been thrilled at the opportunity to have a real relationship with Jesus, but its a deeply personal thing, and I feel like the ttatt acronym only cheapens it. But thats mostly just a biased opinion, because 99 percent of the time, im straight lurking. What I mean is, taking sides, or sitting down at the “table” of whoever isnt my style. I guess I’m still in denial that if I were to think outloud to most of my associates I’d be deemed an apostate. Weird to say and I don’t much like labels, so nix on that. I’m me.

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    • JJ says:

      Reasonable

      Welcome to JWS, it’s great to get your feedback and opinion. You are free to think the bracelets are tacky and I am free to wear two at a time lol! We all go through a “denial” period, as it is part of our arc when we come out of enslavement to the Watchtower culture and belief system.

      It’s great that you are finding your own path and thinking for yourself. Bravo!

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  3. Disappointed says:

    It does make me wonder why they continue to say how important it is to be obedient and then they go and be disobedient themselves by coming to apostate sites and commenting!
    The only sense it makes is that they are suffering from cognitive dissonance and trying to fight it in the best way they know how… fight who they see as the perptrators of it.
    Of course the results are that it only makes it worse for them.

    Are these JW apologists going to go away and obey ‘Mother’?!

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  4. man oh man says:

    Thanks JJ for being there for all those that are searching even if they realize it or not. At some point they will be able to humble themselves and accept the TTATT. For some it will be really hard to do this as it would mean that their entire life was a lie. But they shouldn’t give up as their relationship with God can continue and all is not lost. Let us continue praying for these ones even though they may persecute us.

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    • JJ says:

      Good sentiments Man oh Man- Jesus said that we should pray for those persecuting us and unfortunately that sometimes includes the Witnesses from our current or former congregation. We do not hate these people we seek to love them and help them see that we are not “the boogeyman” or mentally diseased as they have erroneously been led to believe.

      Seeing value in our life, inertia, putting a lifetime of investment into the JW movement, having nearly all family and friends inside the group, etc. all create enormous pulls at a person’s devotion to the Watchtower. This is their head start, their great advantage that is so difficult to overcome.

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  5. andrew says:

    Nice article. These JW apologists over time will become disillusioned with the “truth” as presented by the Society. Any JW with at least a nugget of free thinking could not help to have some deep seated doubts spring up if they continue to read “apostate” websites.

    There is a pebble that is rolling down the hill that is becoming larger and larger. Soon it will be an avalanche that the leaders of the Watchtower can no longer basically ignore.

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    • Mav Erick says:

      andrew:
      Nice article. These JW apologists over time will become disillusioned with the “truth” as presented by the Society. Any JW with at least a nugget of free thinking could not help to have some deep seated doubts spring up if they continue to read “apostate” websites.

      There is a pebble that is rolling down the hill that is becoming larger and larger. Soon it will be an avalanche that the leaders of the Watchtower can no longer basically ignore.

      I was told not open any internet sites other than JW.org, and of course I follow like any good and obedient JW. Then there is this newscaster that says we are the fastest growing religion, so I proudly clicked it to see the whole report. Other articles appeared, and the one that attracts me is this book Crisis of Conscience. I am so interested I wanted to read it because its from a governing body. After a few browsing I found it in jwstruggle. I am so overwhelmed by emotion that I have started to have doubts about the organization. Then comes that article about the faithful and discreet slave. Everything changed after that…

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  6. Tracy says:

    I was raised a JW (both mom and dad were to) and had always questioned what I was told to believe. I would ask my Dad (who was an elder)many questions and I do believe he tried his best to answer the best he knew how. But I always felt unsatisfied with his explanation and even more uneasy with the wts explanation.But it seemed very normal to brush off the uneasy feeling and tell yourself its just satin trying to confuse you… or Jehovah tells us what we need to know.I always secretly wanted to talk to the df people in the back of the kingdom hall… I mean how evil could they be? I felt very guilty for feeling that way and NEVER told anyone.I was never a “really good jw (although I really wanted to be just never felt natural) and after awhile I adopted the feeling if I’m so awful and have no chance to be in the new system I’m going to do what ever I want. It was very unhealthy.I loved God and Jesus and the Bible. But the kingdom hall felt cold and if I had missed a couple meeting it was almost like a pre-shunning of what was to come if this keep up.The feeling that I could never win was a everyday feeling for me. But it turns out after years of trial and error and many conversations with fellow fall outs and df friends. A lot of people had similar thoughts as my own and were ether kicked out or left with a “warrant” to be on the look out for. All that it takes is a look on a web-sit or even a small question in your head to make you realize you are not alone and you don’t have to be a victim. I though by not being a jw my only option was to be as self loathing and destructive as I could. I had my time believe me but over time I realized I just wanted to be loved and excepted and maybe I could be happy and a good person with out the origination. And although I feel helpless to save my blinded by the false light friends and family. I have never felt more free and hopeful following my heart and praying to god and having him move me personally and not through a highly wealthy group that feeds you on guilt that you can always do and give more to support “Jehovah” aka the organization. I believe God made us and wants to help us.And if you ever feel bad about God then you are learning him the wrong way. I feel love from god not guilt. Its refreshing.If your standing up for jw ask yourself if you were out for some time did they invite you to a show or over for dinner? If so were they interested in your life or did they just try to get you to come back? They most likely do miss you and know the only way they can have you in there life is if you are a jw. Even if you cured cancer and married your dream lover and have never been better and have a great relationship with god. You will only be looked at as apart of satin’s world if you are not apart of the organization. Don’t believe me give it a try.God don’t work that way.True love is not based on conditions.

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  7. Londo says:

    Welcome all JW apologists! I would love a dialog with you, especially on the topic of 607 BC. My email is: londo111@yahoo.com

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  8. nurseraveen says:

    Yes all JW’s that are apologists should post there real name and congregation so they can be “talked to” :)

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  9. johnny says:

    If you have the truth then you have nothing to fear. The truth will stand up to any scrutiny. Three failed predictions is a lie 1 John 2:21 says no lie originates with the truth,
    Isa 44:26 says Jehovah makes the word of his servants come true,
    Prov 14:5 says false witness tells nothing but lies,
    Eze 13:8-9 says because you have spoken untruth Jehovahs is against you.
    According to Deu18:20-22 if you prophesy using Gods name and nothing happens you are a false prophet.

    How can Jehovah be directing an org that has a history of failed predictions?

    Jehovah is a God of truth and he does not lie.

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    • JJ says:

      Thanks for pointing out those scriptures Johhny- very true!

      Also welcome to the JWStruggle site. Your voice is valued and needed here brother.

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    • Orwell says:

      That’s what I always felt, brothers, when they’d diss on ‘apostates’. Me being a bad girl and having a university education makes me want to question things and test my assumptions.

      Funny, and elder (who was 5 years into an extramarital affair by that stage) told me the WTS doesn’t want people going to university because they learn to challenge information. He was a cheating, stealing, lying scumbag who got caught eventually being a cheating, lying, stealing scumbag (a dfd that actually deserved it) but he was right about that.

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    • Mav Erick says:

      johnny:
      If you have the truth then you have nothing to fear. The truth will stand up to any scrutiny. Three failed predictions is a lie 1 John 2:21 says no lie originates with the truth,
      Isa 44:26 says Jehovah makes the word of his servants come true,
      Prov 14:5 says false witness tells nothing but lies,
      Eze 13:8-9 says because you have spoken untruth Jehovahs is against you.
      According to Deu18:20-22 if you prophesy using Gods name and nothing happens you are a false prophet.

      How can Jehovah be directing an org that has a history of failed predictions?

      Jehovah is a God of truth and he does not lie.

      I was once had a discussion with two sisters regarding these failed predictions and the so called new light after this issue of magazine July 15, 2013. Why is it that, if we have the truth, why does the teaching change after a number of years? She gave me that favorite verse Prov:4:18. Told her, that verse if she will continue to read verse 19, it clearly shows that it compares a good person from a bad person and even if it pertains to knowledge, it seems that we are the one that fits verse 19. Oh! you rely on your own understanding, the bible advises us not to. We must humbly accept the teachings, doing otherwise, clearly shows that we have a wicked spirit within us.. That stops the discussion… The mindset of the majority in the organization is that asking questions however reasonable is wickedness…..

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  10. Tinaa says:

    Personally what I can say about some JW is that they are too judgemental. The reason why I started to keep some distance from my JW friend is because she was becoming a little bit too controlling and I did not like that.She was criticizing on my hair clips,my appearance,my height,my natural hair,my nose ring. She and her husband were always asking me when am I ever going to consider to become a publisher? I mean really all I ever wanted was the thruth and a personal relationship with Jehovah which is necessary in order for Jehovah to grant me ever lasting life. The organization is not Jehovah and it certainly cannot meet all my needs.

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    • JJ says:

      It’s sad Tinaa that it has to come to that. Your JW friends are sincere and they are trying to “save your soul” but to them the only way to do that is for you to have a personal relationship with their Organization and kowtow to rules of their the Governing Body. (One of which is no piercings, no tattoos, etc.)

      If you won’t do that, then the love usually turns to pressure and judgmentalism, which you experienced.

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      • Tinaa says:

        Thank You for answering me JJ I really appreciate it.

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      • Mav Erick says:

        I don’t mean to hurt anyone, but when it comes to freedom, the only one that has absolute freedom is God.. Everyone else’s freedom has limitations. As long as it does not break God’s law, which is of course for our own good. Regarding tattoo’s isn’t it against the law given to the Israelite’s? I know we are not under the law anymore but God does does not view tattooing favorably.

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  11. Tinaa says:

    There came a point that I didn’t want to go to the meetings anymore. One day my jw friend came with her husband to quetions me why I have not anwers their calls nor come the meetings? my friend husband told me that the way I was behaving by missing meetings and not answering calls show that I’m hangry at Jehovah.Jehovah Witness are not bad people,it’s just that they put way too much importance on the organization.

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  12. whateverhappenedtome says:

    hi everyone…been a while…just want to say i miss you all fellow strugglers…and welcome to those newer than me..
    i

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  13. Freethinkerinjah says:

    Try a nose ring and dreadlocks, now that will raise a few eye brows’ and get you DF’d.
    Been there, done that.

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  14. Bob says:

    I haven’t been at this site for a while so I don’t know if this link has been shown before. But I found it interesting, so I thought I’d share.
    http://www.2001translation.com.....Wicked.htm
    I especially like what it says about Galileo and the Catholic church.

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  15. Tinaa says:

    My JW friends might be sincere and want to save my soul, but I have the right to live my life. I don’t hate my JW friends but I had to love them from a distance for my own protection. As long as I stay on track and try to please Jehovah the best I can that’s all that matters. I’m so not desperate for human approval which will not get me to heaven. The truth they cannot meet all my needs only Jehovah can.

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    • Mav Erick says:

      First, with love… I don’t want to hurt your feelings but I felt that I need to tell you something. We cannot save our life. Only Jesus and Jehovah can. So we need to live a life that conforms not to our own standards but theirs. They will be the one to judge us not we ourselves..

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  16. Wolfsong says:

    I am someone who is inactive now for almost 8 years. Was baptized in March of 2005 and within 9 months stopped going. I loved the initial attention and such when I was studying and an unbaptized publisher but discovered that besides some cursory visits after a particularly rough personal time which had me distancing myself from everyone around me I was basically ignored. It took 8 years off and on to reach baptism and suffered some indifference with my issues. I admit I love reading the mags and such but always the issue of men saying how I should be living and who I should be talking to came up in my mind as well as why can’t I see what others say who have left or been kicked out. I looked anyway and found a lot of people to be bitter and hate filled. Blaming the Org for THEIR own choices in most cases and not taking responsibility. I always have been my own person. I love the Bible and Jehovah but also respect others faiths. I saw rampart hypocrisy with the so-called love with all the gossip and favoritism and personal opinions. My issue has always been with the fact that money is asked for in a way that makes it appear that if you don’t you are not doing what you should, that the words of men (The Governing Body) is taken as ‘Gospel’ when we know who the true author is, Jehovah Himself, and that there is a severe gap between talking the talk which many seem to do and walking the walk. I have respect for those whose faith is not blind. Who are human and have a heart. we are CHRISTIANS not Jehovah’s Witness’s. We follow Christ, worship Jehovah and like the Boreon’s in Act’s 17:11 we check things out for ourselves. The Truth is the Truth and is only determined by God Himself not by men who claim they are conduit’s. We had those in the inspired writers of the Scriptures. Only one determines my fate after Armageddon and it ain’t a bunch of blokes in an office who don’t know me. :)
    Came across here reading about peoples experiences via other sites. Love how you do not have bitterness or an air of superiority like many I have seen.

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    • miscreant droid says:

      Hi Wolfsong.
      Thanks for mentioning the Boreons. A while back I had been putting a lot of time into the Insight books. The Org. had made many clear cut decisions on a lot of cryptic verses, which I found disconcerting. When I picked up the NIV study bible I got far more insight than I ever had before, with sitings for a wide variety of interpretations. It pays to reach out to Jah without the “us against them” version of Christianity that so many of JWs are practicing.
      I’m attending regularly still, though I’m also ‘inactive’. I stopped turning in time when I discovered that the elders were doing shepherding calls only once a year. I figured if they were competing with the congregation to achieve a standard 10 hours each month passing out mags to people who weren’t going to bother reading them, then the more important work of searching for the lost sheep should be tended to first. I had a few quarrels with them about it, but the standards of the shepherding book allow them to be lazier. They can’t count time on a shep. call after all. A sister out in service once chastised me about my philosophy on the timecards too. I explained that if 6 billion hours of time had been clocked by JWs last year then probably a billion of those had been spent deciding where to have lunch. My failure to turn in time was just evening out the probable bias. haha

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    • Claudia says:

      Wolfsong:
      “Love how you do not have bitterness or an air of superiority like many I have seen.”

      There are too many good points in this threat to comment on. I am still getting used to this forum and reading questions and comments from its members, I really agree with wolfsong comments about how everyone is keeping that forgiving and humble attitude, with some humor too HAhahaha!. Way to go! Our Heavenly Father will rejoice seeing those following His Son Christ Jesus’ examples in debates. I just LOVE love, and all those who try to live by it. BIG HUGS

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  17. Rupunzelsawake says:

    Welcome Wolfsong! Yes, the hypocrisy is very “in your face”! Our literature paints the organisation as this beacon of light and goodness, and moral purity!! When in reality it is not! We are no different to anyone else. We even have child sexual predators in our midst. The GB claim they do not have “duty to protect from harm”(legally), but they perpetuate the myth that we have this “pure” and “clean” organisation. That fosters an atmosphere of trust and makes us vulnerable to predators! Talk about false advertising! Yes, time-reporting is insane! Do they really think Jehovah would accept as “their best sacrifice” TIME….including time spent gossiping or discussing lunch or gardens, or driving, etc? We know how he felt about “lame” sacrifices!

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  18. Amanda says:

    “Why would YOU care about my spiritual conduct? I do as i like thank you. I have been away from Jehovah for 12 years, now back with the Only true religion I can find and feel very happy and content with it. But if i feel like visiting these kind of video-commentboards i will do so. Mind your own business okay? All YOU come here for is to hear slander and insults towards the organization wich i personally think is really pathetic. YOU should go on with your life.”

    I give you so much respect for your kind and peaceful response to this one… Mine would’ve been more like, “get behind me Satan.”

    Oh and her grammar…. Proof that an education is good for everyone no matter what your religious leaders tell you.

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