New light“Blinded By New Light” – A Response to the “Anti-Apostate” WT article of 9/11/2011, found in the July 15, 2011 study copy of the Watchtower. The following song represents a response to the inflammatory rhetoric and Ad Hominem attacks found in the Watchtower. It saddens us that the friends have been misled and revved up to the point that they are ready to attack and pounce on those of us no longer “Captive to the Concept”.

They may hate us…but we still love them and pray for them, as our Lord Jesus taught us. (Matthew 5:44-47)






Blinded by NEW light, 

Wrapped Up in the Truth

The Generation wasn’t Right (Repeat)

The GB and Their Blunders 

Preaching people under saying we know this and that 

We took the lumps and the bumps when we were adolescents and we hid them under our hat 

Now that we are older were feeling kinda bolder

We want off this merry-go-round 

Now we know the reason, GB is a wheezin 

Generation theory crashed to the ground!


The Generation crashed to the ground!!! 


Blinded by NEW light, 

Wrapped Up in the Truth

The Generation Wasn’t Right (Repeat)

Some Side talking sister with a ELDER for a mister told me she really missed me Sunday 

HE said you must believe the Tower  so you can be strong  

Or Apostates will take you away…

The CO was checking on our Congo to be sure were inline with the GB’s side…

And little Elder-Surly came by with Sister Surely and asked me if I needed a ride…

The Generation crashed to the ground!!!


Blinded by NEW light, 

Wrapped Up in the Truth

The Generation Wasn’t Right (Repeat)

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35 Comments on “Blinded By New Light”

  1. andrew says:

    Loved it!


  2. LOVED IT! You should put it on You Tube over a slide show featuring shots of the GB, pics of magazine articles featuring “The Generation” and the most recent article on apostates, etc. That would be huge!



  3. JJ says:

    You can’t go wrong with classic rock. C a n n o t…


  4. anon says:

    this song is a testimony that Jesus words are becoming fulfilled
    “But immediately after the tribulation of those days
    the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken”


  5. Scepticalone says:


    I have read the article in the Watchtower July 15, 2011. I felt sad and outraged at the same time.

    I will admit in fairness that there are persons and organizations that hate the Watchtower Organization for everything they have done said over the years. They do this out of bitterness and hatred because of personal affronts and also in disagreement with the doctrines that have been published. In fairness again, I say again, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have done much good over the years with upholding the high moral standards of the Bible and improving the lives of many people in many ways.

    I still personally believe the clears doctrines of the Bible that the Watchtower Society has championed over the years such as the exclusive ontological identity of God the Father and the upholding of such, despite the bitter criticism from many so-called theological experts. Also The name of God as taught by Biblical theology and the many articles publishing about that sacred name worldwide.

    On the other hand I also believe that there are people such as myself that have honest and conscientious disagreements with what I call the extra peripheral teachings that do not have the clear Biblical support that the Watchtower Society and the GB proclaim and that in some quarters have done terrible physical damage and sometimes death in addition to the psychological damage to many members and still do.

    What saddens and outrages me is that the article in the Wt. magazine “Will you heed Jehovah’s Clear Warning?” lumps everyone together regardless of motive or reason for doing so and vilifies everyone including those who have honest disagreements. This is done in the manner that is not in harmony with the love that Jesus preached such as “Love your enemies” whether they are true enemies or perceived.

    The Governing Body has in my opinion blocked any legitimate and honest airing of some of the questions that seriously puts the GB to the test. They refuse to put to the test. They do not realize that they should be and it is authorized by Jesus at Revelation 2:2. What is more serious that their position in refusing to be tested has brought shame and is disgrace on the name of Jah Jehovah the Bibical that they claim to worship and honor.



    • greybeard says:

      Thank you Scepticalone,

      I agree with some of your points. The Watchtower was hijacked by Judge Rutherford after Russell died and he changed much of their doctrine. My opinion is that most of the truths they have came from Russell and he got it from someone else like the Adventist’s and Millerites. As Anon seams to indicate the light has gotten darker not brighter regarding them.

      As far as Gods name Jehovah, The WT admits Yahweh is more accurate but still holds to the inaccurate rendering Jehovah “because of it’s familiarity”. That has always bothered me. Sense when does something being more “familiar” matter? They just don’t want to change the name they invented a long time ago. They seek to hold on to power not letting the 1914 date go. They are accountable to YHWH/Jehovah for many deaths due to the blood and transplant issues among other things. They are accountable for millions being hurt by the disfellowshipping issue. They have made themselves equal to Christ and have set themselves up over the “congregation”. This current governing body hasn’t done anything in furthering doctrinal truths or setting matters straight. They are nothing but false prophets lording it over a group of people. So they have some truths? They are not alone in these views and many are coming around on doctrines such as the trinity and hell fire. If they had it their way, God would have ended this world a long time ago and only saved a few. I am glad I have discovered they are not “Gods mouth piece” as they claimed to be. God does not make these messengers words come true. They have hung themselves with their own words.

      Your brother in Christ,


      • use 2 b a dub says:

        Hi grey beard,
        Being raised as a JW certainly was not all bad for me. It helped me to live a moral life and to gain great life-long friends. I agree with you that Russell got most, if not all, of his doctrinal ideas from those before him. He was simply and off shoot of the Adventist religion. I think it’s interesting and wonder why that many of today’s ‘off beat’ religions sprang up during the mid to late 1800’s. Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Bible Students (now JW’s). Interesting also is the fact that these religions are USA based.
        one of the things that bothers me more and more as the years pass and i get ready for retirement, is how the WTS mislead many of us by telling us we would never get old in this system. that we did not need a career or an advanced education because we would not see old age. Well,it breaks my heart to see so many of my close friends, that are now in their mid 60’s, that will be working at menial jobs probably for the rest of their lives because they will not be able to live on Social Security.
        They are in this position today because they truly believed the teaching of the WTS that they would never grow old.
        To me this is an almost criminal teaching since it has and will be affecting more and more of our beloved friends. They will not be able to enjoy much in their later years. Of course they can always ‘pioneer’ and volunteer to sit by the contribution boxes at the conventions. This ‘never grow old’, shunning, and the blood doctrine are very harmful teachings that have and are ruining lives of dear brothers. I know that the WTS will never recant the, shunning or blood doctrine, not because it’s wrong but because of the legal ramifications, but it seems to me that they…


  6. JJ says:


    Very well reasoned points. The good that the WT has done is clear for all that wish to see.

    But sadly no matter how many “good deeds” or how often the correctness of their teaching is to be found, the reality is this: The WT Organization, vis-à-vis their leaders, are choking pressuring and beating their fellow slaves. In Jesus’ parable, what did the master do to that wicked slave?


  7. jacqueline says:

    My Elder brother did finally call me. I know they all were aware, I was no longer a witness but it is interesting ho my oldest brother went about it.
    He first after greetings and some small talk asked if what he heard was true. I said yes. He asked if the group I was with believed in the 144,000, the millenium, Armageddon etc. He concluded that I was spiritually in tact and not mentally diseased just fed up with organization structure and pesonalities and the men running such. Of course he was not exactly on the mark and we discussed it. But since brothers in my area speak to me and other elders in my area, he said, I was okay with him. It was out of love with my brother. Poor thing wanted to make sure I was not mental. He agreed that perhaps I should have listened to family and sued the watchtower society and admitted my family does not have a leg to stand on by my leaving. He felt if I had taken action it would have kept me with the witnesses.
    But, I felt it helped me to open my eyes. Persons that know my case will not shunn me just one son.
    But at least I passed the mentally diseased test.


    • jacqueline:
      My Elder brother did finally call me. I know they all were aware, I was no longer a witness but it is interesting ho my oldest brother went about it.
      He first after greetings and some small talk asked if what he heard was true. I said yes. He asked if the group I was with believed in the 144,000, the millenium, Armageddon etc. He concluded that I was spiritually in tact and not mentally diseased just fed up with organization structure and pesonalities and the men running such. Of course he was not exactly on the mark and we discussed it. But since brothers in my area speak to me and other elders in my area, he said, I was okay with him. It was out of love with my brother. Poor thing wanted to make sure I was not mental. He agreed that perhaps I should have listened to family and sued the watchtower society and admitted my family does not have a leg to stand on by my leaving. He felt if I had taken action it would have kept me with the witnesses.
      But, I felt it helped me to open my eyes. Persons that know my case will not shunn me just one son.
      But at least I passed the mentally diseased test.

      Sister Jacqueline,

      I probably missed a previous post so I’m curious what you would have sued the Society for.



  8. DanielB says:

    Bravo !


  9. Amos says:

    As I’ve lost the ability to start any new blogs, I thought that this would be the closest to the topic I wish to start.

    Who is Jehovah & who is Jesus.

    I know that this is going to cause some concern, but it is something that I’ve been looking at for about two years now. I still haven’t fully documented all the scriptural evidences available, so will start by asking all to read the following two chapers of Revelation & PLEASE give it prayerfull consideration. When I first began to get the promptings to investigate this different viewpoint, it caused me great anguish as it smacks of trinitarianism, I now see that it is vastly different from the trinity doctrine.
    I will post a link to the “Aramaic New Testament in Plain English” as this has the clearest rendering that I have seen on this passage in Revelation….please bear with me brothers, as I believe that this could be earth shattering, & may give us a completely new view of “the Father & the Son”.
    Like I said, I’ve been quietly working on this for about two years. I have recently shared this with two other spirit begotten brothers, who said that it has answered so many questions in their minds also.

    I initially started by trying to disprove the trinity & have many OT & the corresponding NT scriptures to support this new view, & I havent done much in this respect since I began my move in January, until I came accross this new translation from the Aramaic Peshita.

    Pleas ernestly consider….

    Rev. 22 in its entirety…but please meditate on verses 12, 13, 16, 20 in particular. There is much, much, more to this.



    • andrew says:

      Are you proposing that Jehovah is another name for Jesus and that the Father is someone entirely different?


      • Amos says:

        The short answer is yes, but it’s not that simple.

        The truth however is very simple, & we tend to look for meanings that just aren’t in the scriptures, due to our previously held beliefs & tutilage. All we need to do is our own personal bible study, without any pre-conceived theology in place.

        At first I thought that the trinity may just be right, but as usual alarm bells started to ring. About a month ago, I was given a little book that was an answer to the WTSs trinity brochure. I was almost convinced that the trinity could be right, however it didn’t ring true to simple truth. So I started to look at it again & a few days ago the penny dropped, but I wanted to think about it a bit more before posting it.

        It would appear that Jehovah is the name for God in the OT & that Jesus is the name for the SAME PERSON in the NT. The Father however seems to be another & superior person to Jehovah/Jesus.

        There are many references in the NT that Jesus IS GOD, if we look for them, particularly when using either a Greek or Aramaic interlinear. If we consider that Jehovah/Jesus is God, this may only be with reference to our planetary system including mankind. The Father however, would be the ultimate personality in ALL of creation.

        I cannot accept the Holy Spirit as either a person or the
        active force of God. I am coming to think that HE is a part of God that is sent to accomplish anything that God wants to do, including dwelling within each of the spirit anointed brothers of Christ.

        Even after doing considerable study into this topic, I’m still undecided about much of it, & hope to be able to post some solid scriptural references for consideration.

        Please don’t toss this out without a good consideration, I almost did. When it’s all considered in the context of the scriptures, it begins to make sense….much better than what we’ve been told what to believe in the past.

        THank’s brothers


      • andrew says:

        I appreciate your looking into this Amos. There are difficulties no matter what opinion one takes. There are prophecies that in the OT are said to be fulfilled by YHWH but are fulfilled by Jesus.

        However in Rev. 19 Hallelujah is directed toward the one seated on the throne as opposed to the lamb. And of course this Hebrew word contains the shortened form for YHWH.

        I’m pretty sure I’ll never know for sure during this lifetime about the exact relationship between Father and Son. That is why I don’t make the trinity or the lack of belief in a trinity an issue.


      • JW1980s says:

        Are you proposing that Jehovah is another name for Jesus and that the Father is someone entirely different?

        That wasn’t addressed to me but since I’m here (followed a link from JWN re the Blinded by the New Light song, lol), I’ll add my 2-cents:

        Yes! Exactly! Jesus is YHVH of the OT & it makes perfect sense if you simmer on it awhile. Quick summary:

        –The entire Bible is a record of the progressive REVEALING of the SAVIOR of mankind. First to a few (Adam & patriarchs), then to more (ancient Israel), then to many more (Christian era), & finally to entire world (REVELATION, every eye will see Him, the final REVEALING).

        –After the creation of man (by the “US” who said, “Let US create man in OUR image”), only ONE of the “US” became the SPOKESPERSON with mankind.

        –Which one? John 1:1 tells us: “In the BEGINNING was THE WORD,” ie, the COMMUNICATOR who stepped out from the INVISIBLE realm into the VISIBLE realm (“the image of the invisible God”-Col.1:15) to talk with Adam, who walked with him in the cool of the day, who appeared &/or spoke to Noah, to Abraham, to Moses, to Joshua, the prophets, & on down the line, who came in the flesh/died/buried/resurrected, & last of all apostles appeared/spoke to Paul from His resurrected/ascended position, & later spoke (sent angel) the Revelation to John, etc.

        –THE SPOKESMAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME PERSON. He “volunteered” for the “God-to-Man-Connection” “job” as Creator, Redeemer, Speaker, Communicator, Savior, Revealer. He basically wrote all the prophecies re HIMSELF.

        –God the Father remains UNNAMED & INVISIBLE throughout Scripture, as does the Holy Spirit. Father & Holy Spirit are titles, not PERSONAL names.

        –Only the COMMUNICATING “WORD” has revealed HIS PERSONAL names (& numerous descriptions such as Rose of Sharon, Lion of Tribe of Judah, etc.) throughout every book of the Bible in a long progressive REVEALING of Himself to mankind.

        –(When 2 humans meet they usually first exchange names. How much moreso for The Word, the Communicator, to reveal His? First as YHVH, the I AM [always present tense], or WT-version, “Causes to Become” [Creator], then as JESUS when He came to do “the job” of sacrificing His flesh body. Even WT says Jesus means “YHVH **IS** [always present tense] SALVATION” [Jehovah-Jeshua, or Yahweh-Yeshua, etc.] They were actually telling us without telling us that Jesus is Jehovah!)

        –That is also why Jesus’ OT name YHVH does not matter anymore. He fulfilled what that name meant. He BECAME “Salvation.” He is progressive, not stagnant. (& do you really think if He wanted the correct pronunciation/spelling of YHVH YHWH, etc., to be STILL known & used that He would have allowed some paranoid Jewish scribes to FORGET &/or lose the correct pronunciation over the centuries?) JESUS is THE name that is now “ABOVE every other name.” That’s all we need to know in this Christian era.

        –In Revelation He has yet ANOTHER name that we don’t know yet, a name that “no one knows but He himself,” & that He will probably REVEAL LATER.


        A big shocker for me was reading online a dozen years ago the actual definition of the Trinity vs WT’s definition!

        –WT: 3-GODS in 1.
        –ACTUAL: 3 PERSONS in 1-GOD.

        Think of it as 3-persons in 1-family. All 3 have the same “last name” but are a unit of 1. Ditto for God, 3-distinct persons with the “last name” of GOD.

        Another article that helped was a “Messianic Jewish” site (Jews that believe in Jesus). They had a great detailed description of e’chad in the Shema (“The LORD Our God is One Lord”). E’chad actually means COMPOSITE. God is a composite God of 3-persons.

        And that makes total sense because WE are made in the IMAGE of God. GOD is 3-persons & WE are 3-parts, BODY, SOUL (mind, will, emotions, intellect, imagination), & SPIRIT:

        1 Thessalonians 5:23: “And the very God of peace sanctify you WHOLLY; and I pray God your WHOLE (1)SPIRIT and (2)SOUL and (3)BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (KJV but even NWT has that verse).

        I think of it like this:
        1. FATHER GOD = OUR SOUL (mind, will, emotions, intellect, imagination)
        2. SON of GOD = OUR BODY (He came in the flesh)
        3. HOLY SPIRIT = OUR SPIRIT (the part of us that never dies).

        Lastly, Re WT TAKING VERSES **OUT OF CONTEXT** – Just one of a zillion examples:

        Colossians 1:15,18: “Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of every creature … who is THE BEGINNING, the FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD…”

        That’s what FIRSTBORN means in its full & correct CONTEXT of that section of verses! WT loves that one to falsely “prove” that Jesus is an inferior “created” being. But that’s not what Paul meant since Paul wrote elsewhere that Jesus created all things. No contradictions; just a grave habit by humans to take verses OUT of their CONTEXT.

        PS: What original music is the Blinded by New Light song based on? I recognize the tune but getting too old to remember the name of the song &/or who sang it. (Funny new lyrics, btw! Good job! :)

        Sign me:
        –exJW from late 1970’s to 1990;
        –Was still under the “WT Spell” mentally thru late 2001 (praise God for the Internet!)
        –Free in Mind, Body, Soul (my “Trinitarian Self,” lol) since then!
        –Hope this info helps someone else to begin to wake up!


  10. Willie says:

    FATHER AND SON: I love John 3:16! This verse refutes the Trinity AND eternal torment. “FOR GOD [the Father, Jehovah, the Creator of the Universe (Isa. 44:24)] SO LOVED THE WORLD [Earth and it’s inhabitants], THAT HE GAVE [permission to Michael, the Archangel (I Thess. 4:16; Jude 9), whose position in heaven was as the Logos, called the Word (John 1:1) or spokesperson for God–I like to think that Michael volunteered for the honor to be the ransom sacrifice–even though he was “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev. 13:8)–for God wouldn’t have forced him against his will] HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON [the beginning of the creation of God (Rev. 3:14), thus his first son, his darling favorite son, but not his only son (Gen. 6:2), as Isaac was not Abraham’s only son (Gen. 22:1,2]), THAT WHOSOEVER [not just JWs or Catholics or Protestants or heathen] BELIEVETH IN HIM [“thou … shalt call his name Jesus” (Luke 1:31)] SHOULD NOT PERISH [be permanently extinguished, as the opposite of everlasting life is everlasting death], BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE [in heaven for the spirit-begotten and on earth for the natural descendants of Adam’s family].
    Jesus’ testimony as to his pre-existence in heaven is given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit in Prov. 8:22-36. Verses 30 and 31 read: “Then I was by him [Jehovah, the Father], as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.” Jesus, as the Logos, carried out the majority of the actions that God prescribed, being the “angel of the LORD” in the Old Testament–though not the only one for Gabriel is mentioned twice in the Old Testament and twice in the New Testament.
    Ex. 23:23 is a good example: “Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.” Also consider Ex.32:34, “Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee….” These are two of the instances where Angel is capitalized in the KJV. The above scriptures cause one to believe that when in Ex. 13:21 we read–“And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night”–that the Logos carried out that function as the pillar of cloud and fire that led the Israelites in the wilderness for forty years–which would explain the phrase–“my delights were with the sons of men”–in Prov. 8:30.
    I think that it is safe to say that in the Scriptures, “the Lord our God” is Jehovah and “the Lamb” (capitalized) is always Jesus. Don’t be afraid to check other translations and don’t get too caught up with word definitions if they go against your consecrated common sense. Remember: most of the translators WERE Trinitarians.


  11. JWB says:

    Willie, you’ve made some good points.

    “For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.” [1 Timothy 2:5; NASB]

    Since trinitarians say that Jesus while on earth was both God and man, then it is clear to me that this scripture cannot be negated based on the words ‘the man’. He is either God or not. He is either God or mediator between God and men. Notice this does not say “For there is one Father, and one mediator also between the Father and men …”

    I spent a long time in the past looking into this subject and reading from the early Church Fathers writings. I came to the conclusion that the best way to understand the ‘nature’ of Jesus is simply to stick with what he said about himself and what his apostles said about him in clear terms. In other words to get an overall undisputed view from the scriptures free from the creeds of men. I’m happy to simply express my belief that Jesus is the son of God who so closely resembles his and our Heavenly Father that he could say, “He that has seen me has seen the Father [also]” (John 14:9); one might very respectfully say, “He is the spitting image of his father”. I don’t think it is necessary to go beyond that. Speculation, I think is a prime candidate for error.

    Having said that, I don’t judge people who believe otherwise. My main basis of judging whether or not one is worthy of the title ‘Christian’ is how closely they resemble the Master himself. As they say, “Actions speak louder than words.” Just my take on it.


  12. Willie says:

    QUESTION–How can anyone read John chapter 17 and believe in the Trinity? It is Jesus’ prayer to his heavenly Father before he is betrayed by Judas. Verse one begins: “These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come: glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee.” Surely Jesus wasn’t praying to himself for a whole chapter!
    Jesus was killed because he did assent that he was “the King of the Jews” (Matt. 27:11), “the Son of the Blessed,” (Mark 14:61,62), and “the Son of God” (Luke 22:69,70). Jesus is called “the Son of God” and Jehovah God is called “the Father” over and over again in the New Testament. The Jews were in expectation of the promised Messiah (John 1:41; 4:25)–not God. NEVER did Jesus claim to be God.
    Trinitatians are pulling as straws when they quote John 17:11 as a proof text, “Holy Father, keep through thine own name those who thou hast given me, that they may be one as we are.” Is the church going to be part of a Trinity plus 144,000? I THINK NOT! Jesus is talking about being one in PURPOSE or something equivilant that makes consecrated common sense.
    The word “trinity” is not even in the Bible and if nominal Christians didn’t hear it from their ministers and priests, it would never have entered their minds from reading the Scriptures. The trinity and polytheism were part and parcel of pre-Christian pagan religions. The “trinity” was adopted into the Church around 300 AD to make Christianity palatable to the pagans.
    I know that many sincere Christians are Trinitarians, but in the near future whether one believes in the Trinity or not will most likely be a matter of actual life and death during the “hour or power” (Rev. 17:12). Trinitarians take it very seriously. Since “flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God” (I Cor. 15:50), a stand for truth on any and all subjects, as revealed in God’s Holy Word, may be the saints ticket to their heavenly home to live and reign with Christ (Rev. 20:4). I’m glad that you mentioned “the creeds of men” for that is the very reason why we are urged to come out of Babylon in Rev. 18:4–“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”
    A good book on the subject of the Trinity is: “When Jesus became God”. I read it in the last couple of years.


    • Alden says:

      What astonishes me, Willie, is how anyone can read in Acts about Stephan’s vision of heaven (Father, Son, no “Holy Ghost” in sight) before being stoned, and construe a trinity from that! It takes a real stretch of the imagination to me!


  13. Willie says:

    GREAT POINT Alden! I’ll have to remember that one. Also it is very difficult to stand on your own right hand.


  14. Willie says:

    AMOS, don’t be bowled over by a single translation for they all have their limitations. My NWT isn’t a red letter edition, so I will use the old KJV to point out something that is overlooked in Rev. chapter 22, since you brought it up by giving us all the scriptures that are spoken by Jesus. Verse 6 begins: “And he [Jesus] said unto me, [starting here through verse 7 should be in red for it is Jesus speaking] These sayings are faithful and true (see Rev. 3:14); and the Lord God [Jehovah] of the holy prophets sent [me, Jesus] his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.”
    Rev. 1:1 (paraphrased) reads, “God gave Jesus Christ the Revelations that are in this book to show to his servants, the feet members of the Church, things which which must shorly come to pass and he [God] sent it and signified it by his angel [the archangel Michael, whom we call Jesus] who delivered these words, whose meaning is concealed till the end of the Gospel Age, unto his [God’s] servant John.”
    Revelation has been a favorite study of mine for the last several years and it is my contention that not many people have the slightest idea what it is talking about, and no wonder for we are plainly told–up front–that it has been written in sign language so God’s people wouldn’t understand until it was the proper time and that time is NOW. In this sign language, Jesus refers to himself as the Amen, an angel, and as a Lamb. Since Lamb is capitalized 26 times and Lamb’s book or Lamb’s wife once each, the Lamb part is easily identified as Jesus. Unfortunately there are LOTS of angels in Revelation and most Christians balk over calling Jesus an angel anyway–even in signified language.
    We know that Jesus is our advocate with the Father (I John 2:1)and that there is no “angel” between Jesus and his church, his future Bride. Many reading Rev. 1:1 and Rev. 22:6 have drawn that erroneous conclusion.
    I see no problem with the verses you have brought to our attention in Rev. 22, Amos. They are all words of Jesus and at this point in time would refer to when he comes to gather the the feet members of the body of Christ–also known as the LORD’s jewels in Mal. 3:17.
    Does Alpha and Omega bother you? The beginning and the end HAS to refer to Jesus for God had no beginning and has no end.
    To me the main point of Rev. 22 is repeated three times–“Behold, I come quickly.” It just doesn’t seem quick to us–YET.


    • Amos says:

      Willie, you surprise me with your reply.

      If you had checked many of my replies, you would have seen that I don’t get “bowled over” by ANY ONE translation, I use many.

      It seems that you haven’t taken proper time to digest my two most recent post on this thread.

      I’ll make it as simple as I can. What I’m saying is that we may have been given a bum steer all for centuries, for the following reasons.

      1) There is GOD the Father, not named in the bible.

      2) The Son of THE Father is known in the OT as “Jehovah/Yahweh” & the SAME Son is known in the NT as Jesus/Yeshua.

      If this is true, it means that Jehovah & Jesus, are the SAME PERSON, but refered to by different names in each of the testaments.

      If you will notice, I said “I’ve been quietly working on this for about two years,” this is not a new thought for me & in no way has any reference to ANY trinity beliefs.

      And no, I don’t have any problem with the “Alpha & Omega”, why would I? Perhaps you should investigate exactly what is meant by this statement, it may not be refering to a “beginning” for Jesus, have you thought about that? Instead of refering to a beginning for Jesus, it may be talking about the beginning of creation. All to often, we take things that we believe (have been told) for granted instead of doing our own studies.


  15. Willie says:

    SORRY ABOUT THAT. Ideally I probably should have read some of your other posts, but I’m new to the site (this week) and I haven’t and probably won’t have the time to read everything. I only comment on the posts that prick my interest.
    Alpha and Omega are the first and the last letters of the Greek alphabet and four times Jesus says: “I am Alpha and Omega….” in Rev. 1:8,11; 21:6; 22:13. It is my understanding that the title “Alpha and Omega” refers to a position occupied solely by Jesus among those who are called by God to joint-heirship on the Divine plane of glory. Jehovah God sent Jesus to be the everlasting HEAD over the Church, his body. Christ calls himself the Alpha and the Omega in order to emphasize that the true church of God is neither man-made nor man-ruled, and that its members are enrolled not on earth but in heaven as we read in Heb. 12:23.
    The time of the end of the Gospel Age is very near, Amos, and God couldn’t have developed the “new creature” class referred to in II Cor. 5:17 for the last 2000 years by having his creatures fooled for 99% of it. God designed the human family with fathers and sons, so that we could understand the spiritual arrangement of Jehovah God, the Father, and the Son of God, Jesus. Jehovah and Jesus are NOT the same person.


  16. Amos says:

    Hi Willie,
    I must have missed your reply to me last time I was online.
    No problems on my part brother. I agree that the end of satans system is very close indeed. I also agree with you about the Alpha & Omega.
    Something that I generaly have come to understand of late & that is that what we have been told concerning the Greek being the original language of the NT is not true. It has almost conclusively proven that it was written in either Hebrew, but more than likely in Aramaic. One major indispuable reason for this is that we can do a translation from Aramaic to Greek & have it make lerfect sense, but the reverse is just not possible without substantial manipulation of the texts. As I’m not at home now, I don’t have my study tools at hand, but will find a verse that agrees by implication that the disciples spoke in a language other than Greek.


  17. Willie says:

    I AGREE: I have a NEW TESTAMENT from ARAMAIC distributed by THE ARAMAIC BIBLE SOCIETY, INC and published by A.J. HOLMAN COMPANY (1940). It says THE NEW TESTAMENT according to the EASTERN TEXT, translated from original Aramaic sources by George M. Lamsa. I had heard some years ago that Jesus and the diciples spoke Aramaic.
    Upon first glance it is not too different from the KJV, but the footnotes are interesting. Under John 18:37 where Jesus said, “You say that I am a king,” there is this footnote: “You are making the assertion that I am a political king, but I am not.” A footnote under Acts 4:4 concerning the feeding of the 5000, it says: “In the East women are not counted.” A footnote concerning the translation of “Alpha and Omega” reads: Eastern text says Aleph and Tau. Just a few samples….


  18. Amos says:

    Good stuff Willie.

    I’ve had my Lamsa for about15 years, & agree that it reads similar to the KJV.
    I also have the “Aramaic English New Testament” (AENT) & find it even better.
    I have just found another, “Aramaic NT in Plain English” & am about to order a copy of that also.


  19. Willie says:

    Did Sister Jacqueline ever address Dennis’ inquiry copied below? I would like to know the answer too–or else where would one go to locate a previous post that would provide the information?

    Dennis said: “I probably missed a previous post so I’m curious what you would have sued the Society for.”


  20. Disappointed says:

    Oh! How did I miss this??!! It’s brilliant!! 😀


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