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Locked Thread "Shepherd the Flock" book
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February 24, 2012 05:50AM "Locked Thread "Shepherd the Flock" book" by LizzyJo
 
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One day our car group discussion went to this book. One sister, who's husband is an elder, said that she has been curious about this book, but would never read it. When asked why, she said that she heard of a sister who read the book and then when the CO came around asked him some questions about what she read. The CO became quite stern with her and basically told her that it was none of her business.

I mentioned that I had read the book and that I didn't see anything in it that was shocking or new. As far as I can recall it was just the same information we all have. but presented in a concise way. Then we had a discussion where she told me I had never read the book and I explained the circumstances. I was sitting with an elderly sister while her daughter and son-in-law (the elder) were out of town. I found the book in their book case and read it. It wasn't marked TOP SECRET or anything..The car-group sister said it was only for elders and that I had no business reading it.

Then the argument was on. My argument was that we are not Mormons or Masons and that there are not progressive rings of status within the organization and that all information is open for anyone. The other sister said that the CO told the other sister (first paragraph above) that she shouldn't have read it. My answer to that was that the story may or may not have been true and that if it were true, the CO may or may not have been in error. I reminded her of a CO that we had once who said that sisters couldn't wear toe rings.

Whatcha think about this?


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February 24, 2012 06:08AM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by Dismal_Bliss is a response to this post.
 
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Whatcha think about this?

I think that being that it was that sensitive of a subject to discuss in a car group of 4 or so, why on earth would we post it as a topic for discussion among hundreds here at?

The book is for elders only. But it is not a "secret manual" as nearly every witness knows of it's existence, much like the Illuminators book can only be properly obtained by regular pioneering. But I have had pioneers show me interesting tidbits from their book, and elders (not my dad) show me portions of the Flock book. Neither one has extra ordinary content. It is simply tailored specifically to their specific assignments.

 
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February 24, 2012 06:10AM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by Dismal_Bliss is a response to this post.
 
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Oh, and no harm is done with you reading it. You will not be struck by lightning or anything. I wouldn't bring it up much, considering how emotionally whipped up sensitive ones get over it.

 
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February 24, 2012 06:42AM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by Shawnster is a response to this post.
 
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The Organized to Do Jehovah's Will book is another one of those "secret" books. We don't offer that publication in the Ministry and not just anybody can "order" one. It's made available only to publishers. It's not a book for those who start attending meetings for the first time, etc...

Bethelites have a special brochure they are given when the enter Bethel.

They're not super secret publications, they are just designed for specific groups.  
 
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February 24, 2012 06:55AM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by sianrose is a response to this post.
 

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The Organized to Do Jehovah's Will book is another one of those "secret" books. We don't offer that publication in the Ministry and not just anybody can "order" one. It's made available only to publishers. It's not a book for those who start attending meetings for the first time, etc...

Bethelites have a special brochure they are given when the enter Bethel.

They're not super secret publications, they are just designed for specific groups.

a good summing up...and it is like the Kingdom Ministry for publishers and the Wtcd rom the same...

 
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February 24, 2012 10:58AM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by Fah is a response to this post.
 

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I can think of so many principles that we need to consider. Are we loyal to theocratic direction? The bible has many examples we can learn from when it comes to listen to god given direction. It may sound silly the direction from the slave or from Jehovah through slave at times. Did Adam and Eve not feel like that? A small direction Jehovah, being obedient show loyalty. They did not listen! Moses was told to speak to the rock, but he hit it! Hitting the rock was something small, maybe Jehovah was oversensitive that he did not follow instruction! Uzzah grabbing the ark, it was not his place.
The slave class never have said that the material is a secret, but the material in the book is confidential. Do we not as Jehovah’s try to apply to the bible principles like Luke16:10 “The person faithful in what is least”? Asking us to keep some information confidential reflects much on how faithful we are to little things. Faithful men was know that they “just so”! Noah did “just so” mean he follows Jehovah’s direction to the smallest detail or maybe he at times did feel he can do as he please?
Most witnesses know that the KS book is confidential. Taking and read confidential information, is that not stealing? So sorry that elders put there families in such a position by leaving their KS books in the open! It is also sorry that some brothers feel that being loyal to theocratic direction, such as reading confidential things that is not intended for them is such a small thing!  
 
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February 24, 2012 11:27AM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by pinkpopcorn is a response to this post.
 
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Fah you certainly did say a mouthful! You too, Bob! smile  
 
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February 24, 2012 12:16PM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by Greenfield is a response to this post.
 

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Whatcha think about this?

I think that being that it was that sensitive of a subject to discuss in a car group of 4 or so, why on earth would we post it as a topic for discussion among hundreds here?

The book is for elders only. But it is not a "secret manual" as nearly every witness knows of it's existence, much like the Illuminators book can only be properly obtained by regular pioneering. But I have had pioneers show me interesting tidbits from their book, and elders (not my dad) show me portions of the Flock book. Neither one has extra ordinary content. It is simply tailored specifically to their specific assignments.

The book is confidential, I know that much. Of course, what you did was apparently in good faith (i.e. you didn't know any better), so don't feel bad, it's no big deal. And of course there is nothing wrong with showing excerpts as Bob mentioned. In fact I would probably use that method if I were an elder.

I think the reason the book is confidential is because it details the process for things like judicial committees, in addition to that of removing those with positions in the congregation. It tells the elders what to look for, such as how to tell if someone is repentant, among other things. If these things were common knowledge, unscrupulous ones without real repentance seeking to not get disfellowshipped, for example, would know what the elders were looking for and thus know how to 'cheat the system'. The congregation is safeguarded from this by not making this 'cheat sheet' common knowledge.

Of course, I think everything in the book has been stated in the regular publications at one time or another.  
 
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February 24, 2012 12:29PM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by LizzyJo is a response to this post.
 
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Most witnesses know that the KS book is confidential. Taking and read confidential information, is that not stealing? So sorry that elders put there families in such a position by leaving their KS books in the open! It is also sorry that some brothers feel that being loyal to theocratic direction, such as reading confidential things that is not intended for them is such a small thing!

I had never heard of this book. I did not know it was supposed to be confidential. I am not convinced that it is. I didn't see anything in the book about confidentiality that I remember. Surely one would have to know that a wrong was done before one would be accused of stealing and of being disloyal to theocratic direction.

I guess that my original concern was that a CO had to get upset by this whole thing and just because someone said one did doesn't make it true. I'm sure others have heard with their own ears or heard stories about COs making errors.

It seems the consensus here is that the book is confidential. How do you know? (serious question)  
 
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February 24, 2012 12:33PM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by ava is a response to this post.
 

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Most witnesses know that the KS book is confidential. Taking and read confidential information, is that not stealing? So sorry that elders put there families in such a position by leaving their KS books in the open! It is also sorry that some brothers feel that being loyal to theocratic direction, such as reading confidential things that is not intended for them is such a small thing!

I had never heard of this book. I did not know it was supposed to be confidential. I am not convinced that it is.
It seems the consensus here is that the book is confidential. How do you know? (serious question)

This book is for Elders only. You can not order it at the KH, it was not distributed at a District Convention, and it is not used in the ministry, it is a book that is only given to the elders. And if an elder steps down, he has to return the book.

You may not have been aware of that when you read it, but yes, it is not for publishers, just the elders.  
 
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February 24, 2012 12:45PM "Re: "Shepherd the Flock" book" by lynn is a response to this post.