The Call to Get Out Of Babylon The Great, When?

Has the call to get out of Babylon The Great really went out yet? What if JW’s are wrong about 1914 and Jesus choosing them in 1918? What if the call to get out of Babylon The Great is a future event. Revelation 18:4 says, “And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people”…. This voice came from heaven. Have we heard any voices from heaven announce anything? I for one do not think Babylon The Great has fallen yet. I see real good people throughout many religions. Nobody has 100% truth. As much as JW’s like to think they do, they do not. Jesus asked, “when the son of man returns will he find the faith on the Earth?” (Luke 18:8) I for one do not think so, just parts of it mixed with false teachings. Maybe then, after Christ returns, this call from heaven will go out to get out of Babylon The Great. Revelation’s speaks of Christ returning with a long sword in his mouth. This sword coming from his mouth must be words. Maybe people will listen then and come out of Babylon.

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27 Comments on The Call to Get Out Of Babylon The Great, When?

  1. Andrew says:

    I too think this call has not happened yet. The weeds are still mixed with the wheat.

    Compare that with Matt. 24:31 “He will send out His angels with a loud TRUMPET and they will gather His elect from the four winds…”
    This is when that call to get out of Babylon the Great comes.

    Notice now 1 Thess. 4:16,17 “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the archangel’s voice, and with the TRUMPET of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds of meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord.”

    Also compare 1 Cor 15:51,52 “We will not all fall asleep but we will be changed in a moment, in the blink of an eye at the last TRUMPET. For the TRUMPET will sound and the dead will be raised incorruptible and we will be changed.

    These scriptures are talking about what is commonly called the rapture. This happens at Jesus’ second coming. In this way the wheat leaves Babylon the Great behind, or the weeds.

    This call to get out of Babylon the Great is the same call made in Rev. 11:12 “Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them “Come up here”. They went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies watched them”.

    All this of course is only an opinion on the matter, but seems to make sense (atleast to me)

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  2. Dennis says:

    Does the Society still hold that Babylon has fallen?

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    • Andrew says:

      Yes I believe they do. They say in 1918/1919. The society claims that about 1/2 of the prophecies in the bible were fulfilled during that time. And what is the evidence? A few Watchtower reps. were put in prison for a short amount of time. That was about it.

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  3. lurk says:

    Don’t you think that when the choosing happens, we will know.
    Jesus will let us know. Or will it be behind closed doors?, or do I have to thrust this process blindly (a la 1918).

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    • Jayme says:

      Lurk,

      Yes, if we are alive when this happens we will know. At present I feel that we are still in the time when the wheat and the weeds are mixed. A ruff outline of a few of the events next to come is:

      1. The appearance of the wild beast of Rev. 13.

      2. Gods judgement and discipline of christians.

      3. The final choosing of the last members of Christs bride.

      4. These make up the 2 witnesses of Rev.11, They provide miraculous sighns and prophesy and are martyred.

      Somewhere in this timeline is when the call to get out of Babylon the Great occurs.

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  4. greybeard says:

    Yes Dennis I may need to research this but when Christ appointed them in 1918 that was the apparent fall of Babylon. I just don’t see it. What is your viewpoint on Babylon The Great?

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    • Amos says:

      Hi Jayme, I believe the call to get out of BTG, is a reference to those who are “called by God” during the period commencing with the establishment of false christianity, particularly since 325AD with the formation of the RCC, & ending with the last “saint” proving themselves faithful, “at the parousia.”

      As to your point #4, there are two other possibilities who the “two witnesses” are;

      1) The two testaments of the bible, OT & NT.
      2) The faithful from Israel until Cornelius, & the Gentiles who accept Christ as their saviour, beginning with Cornelius & his household.

      As our Lord chose the twelve personally while on the earth, (including Paul as the replacement for Judas) likewise the only ones who can be classed as “true christians,” are those who have been similarly called & chosen by the Father, from Pentecost 33AD.

      Amos

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      • Amos says:

        Greetings GB, I believe that BTG is still going strong, we only need to count the number of small groups that are now springing up around the world. They are fed up with the major religions, yet they form more religious groups that largely emulate that which they have just left.
        My view is that when we study Revelation chapters 6, 8, 9, 14, 16, 17 & 18, we can see how it appears that BTG will be operative until the parousia, & will be destroyed just prior to the rest of Satan’s systems.
        This is where I significantly dissagree with the BS’s, as they believe that Christ has been present since 1874, & has been gradually breaking down Satan’s system since about 1878. (I think this date correct). I believe that this is to support the failure of the 1874 prediction of the parousia, thus giving them the alternative to say that this was an invisible prescence from this date, 1974.

        Amos

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      • Jayme says:

        Thanks for sharing your views Bro. Amos. I am always open to hearing other viewpoints. I have found that many times we all have a little piece of the grand puzzle and that by sharing we can gradually get a more clear picture.

        I too believe that Paul replaced Judas as the 12th Apostle. I believe that these 12 personally chosen by Christ are the only Apostles and when they died no one else replaced them as in apostolic succession.

        I am not as narrow in my definition of “true christians”, I think that everyone who puts faith in the ransom and enters into a covenant relationship with the Father thru the mediatorship of Jesus Christ is a true christian. We now follow Christ as or Leader and King, thus the term Christian. However, I do also believe that from among the general ranks of all christians God has been choosing a select few to serve in a special capacity with His Son. These are not anymore “true” than others, rather they fit the criteria necessary. I feel as Christians we are all “called”, in that the goal to which we should be reaching is the heavenly one until it is filled. Tho many are called only a few are chosen to actually fill it.

        As faithful followers of Christ we will all one day find our reward in the Kingdom. Where we are chosen to serve in that Kingdom lies much in the way we live our lives now but ultimatly it is by Gods will and choosing.

        IMHO,at present. :)

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        • Amos says:

          Bro. Jayme, Perhaps my view concerning “true christians” is to narrow. I’ll try to explain my view of this. I believe at present, (but am happy to review this) that there is only one call to reconciliation with the Father & the Son, & that this is for the Heavenly Kingdom. (I’ll explain this in detail when I have more time).
          As a result of this “one call” it is the Father that is doing this call, & our only choice is to accept the call & bring our life into conformity with Yahweh’s will. If we reject this call, I believe that we then become as one of the nations, & then get a resurrection along with the rest of mankind who are not called.

          Our only choice is to accept or reject the call. For all those not called in this age, they are not under judgement at this time. as they will only be judged during the Millennium.

          This is entirely different to accepting the call & then sinning against the Holy Spirit, to which there may not be a reconciliation.

          I’m open to any thoughts on the scriptures except for the basics, such as trinity, hellfire, immortality of the soul, ETC.
          I sometimes get lost for the correct wording, so if I say anything that doesn’t sound right….please ask, or correct me.

          Christian love,
          Amos

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          • greybeard says:

            I agree with what you said Amos as far as the one call goes and the resurrection. I also believe those who died in the flood did not suffer the second death and there is a resurrection that awaits them.

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          • andrew says:

            I think any attempt at this time to divide true christians from false cannot succeed. They are mixed and haven’t been seperated or judged at this time. Therefore there are only christians and non-christians. A christian follows Jesus a non-christian does not.

            It is probable when the judgement of Christ’s household starts many will be judged unfaithful. Look at the parables of Jesus during the judgment of Matt 24,25. The 4 parables contrast those who will be judged true christians and who will be judged false. Faithful vs. Unfaithful, Sensible vs. Unsensible, Industrious vs. Lazy, Charitible vs. Uncharitible.

            Understanding doctrine seems to take a secondary role. It would not seem just for God to take a christian’s prize away simply because he misunderstood doctrine, especially if he was exemplary in the qualities just mentioned.

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  5. greybeard says:

    What are you saying andrew as far as doctrine?

    Are you saying as long as one believes in Christ doctrines such as the trinity and hell don’t matter? As long as they are a good person? Is that what your getting at?

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    • andrew says:

      No, I certainly would not say that true doctrine does not matter. It is important. But we will be judged not principally on what doctrine we believe, but on who we are as a person.

      False doctrine will be easily corrected by Jesus at the parousia-judgment. Changing who we are as a person is much, much more difficult. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for who they were not for any false doctrine they had. Nobody has 100% correct doctrine at this time. I think we will be surprised on just how far off the mark some of our beliefs were.

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  6. greybeard says:

    I agree with you andrew. You said, “we will be judged not principally on what doctrine we believe, but on who we are as a person.” i believe that is true.

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  7. Amos says:

    Andrew, I must explain that I was generalizing concerning those who are of the anointed, & not judging anyone as to whether they are or are not. I quite agree with you that the wheat & weeds grow together until the return of the King, & that it will be Him who decides who are His true followers.
    I also agree that it is our life course & obedience to what we know, that is much more important in God’s eyes, than our completely getting it right doctrinaly, (which I agree, is not possible). As Paul aptly pointed to “love” as being the greatest importance for the “christian personality.” 1Cor.13. (Love never fails..V 8)
    And by Jesus own words recorded by John, 13:34,35.

    Amos

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  8. Jon says:

    you are part of BTG. why do you leave out my posts? Real truth hurts????

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    • JJ says:

      Jon

      We have never deleted any of your posts. I will look into this as we do have a spam filter and it may have accidentally done this. I would ask why you say “We are BTG”? Could you define your use of the word “We”? And perhaps elaborate on your reasoning too…Thank you brother.

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  9. Jon says:

    I believe Jws , after being one for 30 plus yrs. are a part of BTG. You need to flee , not reform.

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    • Amos says:

      Greetings Jon, I do agree with you that the WTS as we know it, can never be reformed. It would need to be dissolved & then reformed on bible truths alone. I say this because I believe the task of reforming what already exists, would be too great, due to the amount of error it contains, combined with sinful man’s desire to hold on to what they already believe, their paradigms. I believe it would take too long for those at, & near the top, to be able to see clearly enough to co-operate with the amount of change that is required. They “love the lie” too much, otherwise the change would already have occured.
      I absolutely agree with you that the WTS is now just another part of BTG, & any genuine truthseekers should, “get out of her”, if they wish to serve our Heavenly Father, “in spirit & truth.” This applies to any religious org. as the true christian has a direct relationship with YHWH, & doesn’t need an org. to tell them what the truth of the scriptures are, the Holy Spirit has been provided by the Father & the Son for this purpose. The HS directs our thoughts & understanding when doing diligent bible study.
      I personally will read almost any bible based writings without any fear of being contaminated by error, as the HS reveals what is error.
      What I do believe is that we definitely do need association with like minded people who are also similarly seeking the truth of God’s Word. Together we can seek out all the bible truth that is needed at this time….it’s only by our sincere desire to serve YHWH, that the HS will reside within us & guide us into truth. By saying this, I’m not suggesting that we’ll “know it all,” as I don’t believe that this will occur while we are in the fallen flesh, but that is reserved for after the Lord’s return, following the 1st resurrection, & the living “saints” being changed, “in the twinkling of the eye.”

      Just a few thoughts to think about.

      Amos

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      • Jayme says:

        Luke 5:36-39

        36He told them this parable: “No one tears a patch from a new garment and sews it on an old one. If he does, he will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. 37And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. 38No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. 39And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

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  10. Jon says:

    Amos, you are exactly right about it all. There are many out there who are not and have never been JWs who will be given the same opportunity. There are sites like this and Ewatchman, who sit on the fence. Many still go to the meetings because they are afraid of man. Its a sad sad situation.

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  11. Amos says:

    Thanks for the replies brothers.

    Yes Bro. Jon, I believe that the Lord is using sites like these to reach those who are, “sighing & groaning” while trying to find the truth. I see this as an excellent way, like a halfway house, for those trying to get out of BTG, regardless of denomination, but particularly the WTS.

    The Holy Spirit will never be defeated by an organization, but will always lead those who are asking our Father for guidance. For some this will come quickly, for others it may take longer.

    The other thing that I’ve come to understand, is that it’s only those who are being called, who will be shown the way out of BTG, as these are the ones who will be rulling with Christ during the Millennium, the rest of the world, will get their opportunity during that time, the next age.

    WCL
    Amos

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  12. phil says:

    I believe that all denominations belong to BTG. All true Christians ie those who truly love the Lord will recognise the call and get out of her. The true church one being not built by human hands as told in Hebrews is spiritual .We have our cornerstone who is Jesus and those who love the lord are the bricks of that church. The whole of Christianity is building their foundations on organisations and buildings etc. Where as the True followers live in Spirit and truth and have no need to be taught anything as God himself will teach us the truth through the Holy Spirit. Satan has raised up many denominations to steal what belongs to Our Lord and Saviour.

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