It’s certainly a matter of opinion and conscience, but what do Jehovah’s Witnesses teach and do that is RIGHT? What positive things have you learned and been taught by the Watchtower Magazine or at the Kingdom Hall?

We are aware of the serious problems within the Society’s Organization. After a person reads and examines the evidence closely the man-made rules and apparent absence of Jehovah’s Holy Spirit upon the leadership becomes evident But what is the WTS doing right? Is there any value at all in attending meetings or reading the magazines and other literature? I think there is some good there still. Most of us could come up with a list of things- some shorter or longer than others… They probably would be similar, but everyone’s would be a little different too. Here are a few things that the Organization is doing right in my opinion:

• Encouragement to read the Bible daily

• Reminder of each Christian’s personal responsibility to preach the good news and share their faith

• True Christians will not kill each other in war but have love among themselves

• Family members are taught to fulfill their Buble-based roles, and strengthened by emphasizing family worship and prayer

• The Earth will last forever and have righteous people living on it

• Building of strong faith in the Bible as God’s inspired word

• Refuting of evolution

• God’s name is Jehovah, not simply the titles “Lord” or “God”

• Jehovah does not punish sinful people by burning them in hellfire

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32 Comments on Let’s Talk About What’s Right

  1. Jayme says:

    Great topic! I agree with everything on your list. To put it simply I would say anything that they teach which is founded solidly on scripture is right.

    A few:
    . to be self-sacrificing

    . thirst for truth of Gods Word

    . to be honest in all things

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    • Jayme says:

      I was thinking some more on this and a couple of things came to mind.

      I feel that the wt society has done a good job of providing positive proof of a God and Creator who is interested in us. Also they have done well in building confidence and faith in the bible, that it is Gods word and has been preserved by Him.

      I am thankful for this important basic foundation that I recieved with their aid.

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  2. Andrew says:

    I agree with everything both you brothers have mentioned. There is many good articles in the mags. ,much encouraging info. in the assemblies etc. That is why I used to be so sure it was the only true religion.
    Even though I realize now I will probably end up leaving the organ. one way or another, I will never regret that I was raised a JW. Even though it handicaps you in some things, it provides one a spiritual base from which to grow

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    • JJ says:

      Andrew you say “I realize now I will probably end up leaving the organ.” Would you mind telling us why you feel this is what you may/must do? What is your reasoning? I ask this not in a confrontational way, but because so many of us have pondered this huge step…

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      • Andrew says:

        Consider 2 texts Matt. 24:24 “False Messiahs (also can be translated anointed ones) and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.”

        Luke21:8″Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in My name, saying ‘I am He’ and, ‘The time is near’ (also can be translated The time is at hand). Do not follow them.”

        So Jesus says here watch out for ones that will 1) claim to be anointed 2)claim to come in Jesus name or in other words claim to have Jesus authority as in being appointed over his belongings.
        3) will say the time is near or the time is at hand as in this generation or in C.T. Russell’s book “The Time is at Hand” 4)will perform great signs such as world wide preaching work that points people more to an organization as mediator instead of Jesus.

        Jesus commandment here is “Do not follow them”. Because of my situation I will do what I can not to be disfellowshipped. As I have said before, I may try to move and then become inactive. If I try to become inactive where I live the elders will keep pressing until I say something that I will be disfellowshipped for.

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  3. greybeard says:

    I don’t know brother JJ if what you say in “right” with the organization is actually right. Some of your list could be applied to many “Christian” faiths could it not?
    For myself calling JW’s a Christian faith is wrong. The Bible says there is “one hope” for the Christian and that hope is a heavenly hope. Jesus said, “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you.” JW’s preach a Earthly hope for the majority and label it Christian as well. I do not see that as being true to the word of God. So there might be good things in a faith like all faiths have but does that make them right? We could ask, “what is right about the Catholic faith” and name many good things. Does that make it ok to be Catholic and attend their church? I don’t think so. Is it wrong to attend the Catholic Church? Honestly I believe there are some great honest hearted So many in the Catholic faith IMO will make it out. I believe the call to get out of Babylon the great has not went out. You mentioned war. There is a man in the Roman army spoken of in the Bible who accepted Christ. He asked Jesus what do I do. Jesus did not tell him to leave the army. I am not one who agrees with war however I do not condemn those who have protected our country. Most JW’s would fight rather than let a criminal kill his family and that could be considered war. The Bible allows protecting ourselves.

    The name Jehovah is far less correct then the name Yahweh yet they insist on keeping Jehovah “because it is more familiar” I do not get that. Sense when does being “more familiar” matter? I thought accurate knowledge was what they were after.

    I’m sorry JJ but I have a different opinion on things when it comes to what is right about JW’s teachings. If I was to say something I look at as being right it would be the congregation structure. They have elders and MS servants. However other church groups do too. They teach God is ONE, no trinity however other church groups do too. Is it wrong to be a JW? I think if one knows the Christian hope is heavenly and at the same time teaches a Earthly hope, I think that would be wrong. If you believe taking a blood transfusion is not a sin then teach others that it is, that is wrong. Believing one way and teaching another is very wrong. You who say, “do not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? If you are a member of Jehovah’s Witness’s in good standing then you are representing yourself as a believer in all they teach. Especially if you are an elder or MS. I for one would rather be caught in the act of practicing what I preach then preaching and representing something I don’t believe in.

    Love you all,
    Greybeard

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    • JJ says:

      Wow you make some good points brother and your counsel is appreciated. You are right about not all of us having the same viewpoint. Some of your comments don’t actually seem to relate to this post but that’s okay… Do you feel like some of us are being hypocritical in our comments then? Honestly please tell me- am I being a hypocrite in your opinion? This is something that I have prayed about before and no one is above counsel so don’t hold back.

      Any of you brothers can chime in on this too or Greybeard and I can “duke it
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    • Jayme says:

      I think some of what you said here is one of the reasons I would find it hard to return. I would not be able to teach the things that I dont believe yet they require this.

      Questions from Readers – w86 4/1 p.31

      “Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?”

      “That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

      “That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence.”

      Despite whatever good and right teaching they have, this rigid stance makes being a member and representing them while holding a clean conscience nearly impossible.IMO

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  4. greybeard says:

    Hahaha,

    Sorry if I got off subject… I typed that out fast and didn’t proof read it. No JJ I do not think you are a hypocrite as I see you as a person that has only recently really began to question things. Speaking for myself, I couldn’t be apart of it because I don’t believe it. I do not see anything at all wrong with saving my childs life with blood. I couldn’t teach someone else the JW way. At one time I did, no longer. I sometimes feel hypocritical myself in that I have not been totally honest with my younger sons for fear of being DFed. For the most part I do not feel hypocritical. You are the only one IMO. that can answer the question wether you are hypocritical or not. I am not you. I think it takes time to work these things out. If you went on to represent yourself as a JW for a long time and was a MS or elder I would then see it as very hypocritical wouldn’t you??? I think it is just a matter of time. You might not be fully convinced in your heart that JW’s are not the one and only truth. I am convinced they are wrong. I do not believe they are Gods “household”. If they are fulfilling any Bible prophecy it is the ones about false prophets. That is MHO.
    Love,
    Greybeard

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  5. greybeard says:

    Back on subject,

    The Watchtowers view on blood transfusions. Right or Wrong? Heaven forbid anything ever happen but for the sake of argument… Lets say you must answer this question today and your child’s life is at stake? What would you do?

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    • Andrew says:

      I think right or wrong on blood transfusions should be left to each christians conscience. Some may think it is right others wrong. What is wrong is impose your conscience on other people, as the Society does with this issue and so many others.

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  6. rus virgil says:

    Christian conscience is that one trained to obey YHWH’ commandments , in any situation
    http://www.paradisecafediscuss.....1#pid26211
    God’s and Jesus commands are not of WT !
    The commandments are of God,
    and the WT was invented by men (and wrongly used in the Name of God) .

    rus virgil

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  7. jeremiah says:

    Hi JJ, I appreciate your positive post. I would like to add to it by first quoting the “Reasoning Book” page 137:
    “Matters on which corrections of viewpoint have been needed have been relatively minor when compared with the vital Bible truths that they have discerned and publicized. Among these are the following: Jehovah is the only true God. Jesus Christ is not part of a Trinitarian godhead but is the only-begotten Son of God. Redemption from sin is possible only through faith in Christ’s ransom sacrifice. The holy spirit is not a person but is Jehovah’s active force, and its fruitage must be evident in the lives of true worshipers. The human soul is not immortal, as the ancient pagans claimed; it dies, and the hope for future life is in the resurrection. God’s permission of wickedness has been because of the issue of universal sovereignty. God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind. ……
    Another factor to consider regarding the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses is this: Have these truly uplifted people morally? Are those who adhere to these teachings outstanding in their communities because of their honesty? Is their family life beneficially influenced by applying these teachings? Jesus said that his disciples would be readily identified because of having love among themselves. (John 13:35) Is this quality outstanding among Jehovah’s Witnesses? We let the facts speak for themselves.”
    What stands out to me about those teachings are this: They honor Jehovah from what is otherwise God-dishonoring doctrines, (1st paragraph), and morality (2nd paragraph). In otherwords, a return to pure worship. Who brought this information to us??? The anointed were commission to spread the word, and share in the sanctification of Jehovah’s name. (They were not commissioned to interpet prophecies etc)
    I believe that Jehovah uses the organization to accomplish His purpose. I also believe Jehovah used pagan King Cyrus to accomplish His purpose.
    I have been aware of some of the serious problems that have exited, and many serious problems in congregations and at the headquarters that still exist. As these come to light many will be tested. But I feel that these are Jehovah’s people and my brothers so, based on Psalms 50:20,21 I am careful not to be condemning.
    I would like to share some scriptures and discuss some prophecies in future posts that seem to touch on these issues. I firmly believe the just as Jehovah severely disciplined in the past He will do so with the entire organization in the near future. Many people who call themselves Christians and Jehovah witnesses will simply not gain life, and the Watchtower organization will cease to exist.
    Thanks, Jeremiah

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  8. greybeard says:

    Jayme said, “Despite whatever good and right teaching they have, this rigid stance makes being a member and representing them while holding a clean conscience nearly impossible.IMO”
    Well said Jayme and I couldn’t agree more.

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  9. jeremiah says:

    Hi JJ, I appreciate your positive post. I wish to add to it by first quoting the “Reasoning Book” page 137:
    “Matters on which corrections of viewpoint have been needed have been relatively minor when compared with the vital Bible truths that they have discerned and publicized. Among these are the following: Jehovah is the only true God. Jesus Christ is not part of a Trinitarian godhead but is the only-begotten Son of God. Redemption from sin is possible only through faith in Christ’s ransom sacrifice. The holy spirit is not a person but is Jehovah’s active force, and its fruitage must be evident in the lives of true worshipers. The human soul is not immortal, as the ancient pagans claimed; it dies, and the hope for future life is in the resurrection. God’s permission of wickedness has been because of the issue of universal sovereignty. God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind. ……
    Another factor to consider regarding the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses is this: Have these truly uplifted people morally? Are those who adhere to these teachings outstanding in their communities because of their honesty? Is their family life beneficially influenced by applying these teachings? Jesus said that his disciples would be readily identified because of having love among themselves. (John 13:35) Is this quality outstanding among Jehovah’s Witnesses? We let the facts speak for themselves.”
    What stands out to me about those teachings are this: They honor Jehovah from what is otherwise God-dishonoring doctrines, (1st paragraph), and morality (2nd paragraph). In otherwords, a return to pure worship. Who brought this information to us??? The anointed were commission to spread the word, and share in the sanctification of Jehovah’s name. (They were not commissioned to interpet prophecies etc)
    I believe that Jehovah uses the organization to accomplish His purpose. I also believe Jehovah used pagan King Cyrus to accomplish His purpose.
    I have been aware of some of the serious problems that have exited, and many serious problems in congregations and at the headquarters that still exist. As these come to light many will be tested. But I feel that these are Jehovah’s people and my brothers so, based on Psalms 50:20,21 I am careful not to be condemning.
    I would like to share some scriptures and discuss some prophecies in future posts that seem to touch on these issues. I firmly believe the just as Jehovah severely disciplined in the past He will do so with the entire organization in the near future. Many people who call themselves Christians and Jehovah witnesses will simply not gain life, and the Watchtower organization will cease to exist.
    Thanks, Jeremiah

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  10. greybeard says:

    Jeremiah says, ““Reasoning Book” page 137:
    “Matters on which corrections of viewpoint have been needed have been relatively minor when compared with the vital Bible truths that they have discerned and publicized….”
    For instance one of those “minor” issues is the blood issue. Where do you stand on that issue Jeremiah, is the Watchtower right or wrong?

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  11. greybeard says:

    I took my feelings to another post as this blog here is about what is “right” about JW’s. I hope I have not offended you JJ. As you know we are all seeking truth.
    My post on the Top Ten Things Wrong with Jehovah’s Witnesses:
    http://www.jwstruggle.com/?p=394

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  12. Dennis says:

    The good things about the organization as mentioned in the Reasoning book are not unique to JW’s. The organization would like you to think they are, but this has no basis in reality. I am not saying that there are not well meaning true Christians among JW’s, I believe there certainly are. I am not saying that they don’t hold to a high moral standard, as I believe they do. I am saying that they are not unique. What truth JW’s have, no hell, no trinity, faith in the ransom essential, etc. did not originate with JW’s and in fact have been in existence since the time of Christ. They are also not unique to JW’s now and are being taught by many. Once they move beyond these basic truths, JW’s have failed miserably in their date setting, prophetic interpretations, etc. The only reason these adjustments are viewed as minor is because they are adjustments that JW’s themselves have made. If the shoe is on the other foot then JW’s use this as evidence that other religions are false. It simply is a mater of faith that the organization is being exclusively used by Jehovah and cannot be proven from the bible. This claim is being and has been made by countless groups in addition to JW’s. IMO it’s just another way for men to dominate the servants of another. The Watchtower organization and others have moved the leading’s of the Holy Spirit to second place in the lives of Christians, behind the leading’s of their pope, clergy and governing bodies. I believe that Jehovah’s goodness and saving hand will be far more extensive than we can imagine. In regard to this statement, “In otherwords, a return to pure worship. Who brought this information to us???” JW’s would do well to remember the words of the Apostle Paul. 1Cor. 3:4-7 ” For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not mere men? What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.” I have heard the above statement many times and our dear brother Jeremiah certainly didn’t coin it. To me, it has always had a certain arrogance to it and a suggestion that because basic truths have been learned through one’s association with the Watchtower organization that they should stay there and endure the false teachings as well. To wait upon Jehovah as it were. This is definitely not the same advice they preach to people of other religions! They have a double standard in this regard. How much falsehood can be in the “Truth” before it’s no longer the “Truth”, 5%, 10%, 30%, etc.? Does your answer apply equally to other religions with similar basic beliefs or does it apply only to JW’s? Because they might hold a couple of things differently are they not in the “Truth”? To sum up, I believe that there are truly followers of Jehovah with in the Watchtower organization but they are not exclusively Jehovah’s people.

    In Christian Love,

    D

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    • JJ says:

      Dennis

      My intent when posting this discussion was not to say that these are things ONLY Jehovah’s Witnesses teach. Since most of our posts and comments focus on the problems among the Organization, I thought it would be nice to have at least one post that was positive. That was my motive.

      I was asking if anyone else had something positive to say. If you don’t- I respect that. If you started a new topic entitled “What the Catholics are Doing Right” I would have very little to say, although I suppose I could think of a few positive things because there are some good and sincere people among them.

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      • Dennis says:

        Understood. My intent was to reply to the Jeremiah post but I pressed the wrong button. I assume that it’s still appropriate to respond to individual posts even if one might not be in agreement.

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      • greybeard says:

        In some countries you wouldn’t be able to eat or find a hospital if it wasn’t for the Catholic faith. How many hospitals exist in the USA because of the Catholic faith? Many a JW most likely would die if it wasn’t for Catholics donating those blood fractions they now can except but cannot donate for themselves. Another thing, we would probably be speaking Japanese or German if it wasn’t for those babylonian Catholics that protected our country in the last two world wars. Who was that guy Cornelius who became a Christian? He was a Roman officer thats what and Christ had no problem with him.

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    • bruceguth says:

      Well said Dennis. From my own experience, when I asked God for direction, he brought me into one of His organizations that imperfect men have failed with. It was said that no one graduates from the Theocratic Ministry School. I learned in it. I taught in it. I oversaw it. Then I graduated on from it. The same is true of the organization.

      When I asked for direction from Yehowah, he directed me.

      I love many dear Christians in other sects too. The “Kingdom of the heavens” Did become as a very large tree, taller than the rest.

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  13. greybeard says:

    Dennis said, “Who brought this information to us???” JW’s would do well to remember the words of the Apostle Paul. 1Cor. 3:4-7 ” For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not mere men? What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.”

    Well said Dennis! Great point! It’s like the Reasoning book is falling right into the trap 1Cor. 3:4-7 warned us against.

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    • Amos says:

      Excellent thoughts Brothers. This is yet another reason that I have come to believe that their may still be many of the anointed among most of the nominal religious organizations. Only the Father knows who are His chosen ones.

      Amos

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  14. Andrew says:

    I can see so many good things among JWs. I love the bros. The problem is the tyranny of authority. Having a different opinion on a certain text than the Society will have many thinking you have abandoned Jehovah and that you will be destroyed at Armageddon.

    During the visit of our CO the local elders had informed him of why I had stepped down as elder. He wanted to meet with me with the other elders present. The first thing he said to me was “You used to want to serve Jehovah and you used to have a good relationship with Jehovah, what happened?”

    There is no allowances given for personal conscience. I informed the CO and elders that I had never felt closer to God then I did at the present. And that I had never had a greater desire to do his will. They simply told me Satan was fooling me if I thought I had a good relationship with God. They implied many times I was being prideful and arrogant. The CO told me the story of Ray Franz and how his pride made him turn apostate. There was literally nothing I could say to convince them I wasn’t acting out of pride.

    It has been mentioned before that there is no way to leave the organ. with dignity. I read somewhere that it is like a job you can’t quit you must be fired from it. Even if you can avoid DFing and simply become inactive, the gossip and judgmental opinions still make it impossible to leave on your own terms.

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  15. Jayme says:

    Hi JJ,

    I appreciate where you are coming from in starting this topic but I guess we’re a pretty tough crowd. By the time one gets the courage or need to come to a board such as this they have usually suffered a great deal. Its kinda like a support group for abuse victims.

    I try to stay balanced and give credit were its due. As time passes this is getting easier to do. I’m getting past the shock, pain, and anger, but I dont go to the meetings either. After reading Andrews post I really dont know if I could handle that again.

    The WT seeks to be based on the Bible so much of what they teach is benificial. No doubt that is why many are attracted in the first place. I was raised in it so the WT Org. is were I learned what I did about the Bible. Could I have learned about the Bible somewhere else? Yes, of course, but that did not happen to be my experiance. I am grateful for what I learned and how it has benefited me. Although I learned it at the Kingdom Hall the real credit goes to Jehovah who authored and preserved the Bible for our benifit. Rather than being about a religion, my spiritual life is now about a relationship. Could I share that relationship with others at the Kingdom Hall? Probably not, sadly ones relationship with the religion now superceeds any relationship with our Heavenly Father.

    I hope it is alright to post a link to a video which I appreciated entitled “What I Like About Jehovah’s Witnesses!”

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  16. serein says:

    i think every body has good points on this subgect, but i do think also that all religions have there good and bad points and also alot of religions teach almost exactly the same as the jws do and alot of my once freinds havnt a clue they all still think they are the only onces teaching this truth in the whole world,but then becouse they cant look into anything other than the watch tower and awake they are never going to learn either.
    i watched something once about the united church of god and i thought omg they remind me so much of the jws,then my daughter had a visit from mormons and she thought the same, my husband was aproach by a bloke wile at work he was a customer he was trying to teach my husband his beleiv and it was similer also but cant rem what he represented now,so we need to start to realise that all religion is good in some ways and not all bad,we got to realise that, becouse as jws we were taught that all was not good exept the jws and that every one else was going to die at amagedon.its not true,all get another chance then get judged from that time,i think we should ebrace our felow christians and even thoe we have differences we all want the same in the end.its up to god to judge not us,
    also on the blood issue, well i had one and id have deff died if i didnt and i totaly disagree with that teaching its terrible the lifes that have been losdt becouse of it, but those lifes will be back in paradise so they never lost that hope only the life they could have had left right now,thats a teaching they should change for deff thats the main one i think that stops people from listening to the jws.teh other one is the secrecy of pedophiles, also having to have 2 wits to proove some thing, its all taken out of context i know im being negative on a subgect thats suposed to be positive but iits hard to find positive when i seen so much wrong,all religion is corruped becouse of satan and this world so we need to remember this when we are trying to find good in an of them or bad. we should stop worring about what is good and bad and start looking for ourselfs and stive for truth and let people know if they ask but dont push what we now now is wrong on anyone as its up to them to open there eyes and mind and find it out like we have,god sends his holy spirit to those he knows want to find real truth and reveals it to them,
    we need to keep praying for others that they all learn bible truths,as for me im so glad i opend my mind and prayed for holy spirit for help becouse i feel so happy now that iv left the jws as i feel i can focus more on scripture jesus and jehovah in my own personal way with out looking over my shoulder all the time and worring about what others will think or if il get in trouble for searching things out for myself.im closer to god becouse of this i felt i wasnt wile i was in jws org i felt compeld to please not jehovah god but to please the congregation the elders and who ever else i felt far away from god as i couldnt have a personal relationship with him i felt i had to do it through them scared to think for myself.i get shuned my son got shuned twice hes 11 so terrible so none christian like,they are not gods peole alone they are there own people standing alone yes they stand out but not as gods peopel.but as i say this i dont mean to be nasty about them as i think all are trying to do whats right and so im no judge as only god is.

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  17. serein says:

    the other point is they dont stand out in the world as gods people or good christians people dont recognaise them for there christian qualitys poeol recognise them for the blood isuse the knocking on doors the none celebrations of holidays,also the devil “keeps”transforming himself in to an angel of light and that means not just one time but all of the time.

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  18. Anonymous says:

    I like that I am worshiping with people who are sincerely trying to be pleasing to our creator..I have decided to never develop a hatred for these brothers and sisters no matter how much my personal beliefs may change because wherever we are when we are ultimately “judged” I do think that if I have lived a life that is pleasing to Jehovah and Jesus, I will likely be among many sincere Jehovah’s witnesses. I also think the belief about not getting involved in war and politics is right. Also that no one, at least in the congregations is “paid” to do anything. I work where we host various dinner parties and have been asked for envelopes so they could “take care” of the minister, at a funeral!!So I do appreciate the voluntary selflessness of many of the brothers that take care of the congregations in these ways without pay.

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    • JJ says:

      Excellent point- how many faiths do all work for free and truly do not want any money for it. I gave a funeral talk for a lady who was studying with a sister in our hall and the family was overwhelmed and couldn’t believe that I wouldn’t take any money for it. People are not used to that. About 100 relatives attended at the sister’s home and a fine witness about the condition of the dead and the hope for a paradise was given.

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  19. Anonymous says:

    actualy alot of faiths are like that,

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  20. jacqueline says:

    What a person or organization is doing at present is important. Even as we would not like to be judged on pass performance. Remember when they used to say one act can wipe out a whole lifetime of work?
    That is the case here now. There are a lot of good decent people in the world who never were witnesses, and they had a happy life
    We are dealing with what is right now. That is how Jesus will judge them to see if they and us have proved to be a “faithful and descreet Slave.” Thanks

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